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#695 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 1:04 pm
Subject: FreePM still being worked on !! prokushev
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Hello!

Answer on message from Tom Lee Mullins to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

TLM> PS I am hoping this would be true of OSFree
TLM> http://www.osfree.org
Unforunately, no. osFree project seems to be dropped by JMA. At least,
website dropped, ftp dropped, CVS dropped. So impossible just
contribute any code. As I said before, we need to restart osFree
project.

(Other projects, like nudawn or freeos are absolutely dead projects.)

CU!

Yuri Prokushev
prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

#696 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <jerseywarp@...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: FreePM still being worked on !! bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, yuri_prokushev@m... wrote:
> * Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area
>
> Hello!
>
> Answer on message from Tom Lee Mullins to osFree@yahoogroups.com:
>
> TLM> PS I am hoping this would be true of OSFree
> TLM> http://www.osfree.org
> Unforunately, no. osFree project seems to be dropped by JMA.
> At least, website dropped, ftp dropped, CVS dropped. So impossible
> just contribute any code. As I said before, we need to restart
> osFree project.
>
I agree totally. At least the last source code is available so
some one else could build or work on what was already done.

> (Other projects, like nudawn or freeos are absolutely dead projects.)
>
I have also come to that realization.

> CU!
>
> Yuri Prokushev

BigWarpGuy

#697 From: John P Baker <jbaker314@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 4:43 am
Subject: Building an OS/2 Replacement jbakersc
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Building an OS/2 replacement is something I have looked into in the past and
would be interested in participating in in the future.

However, I do not believe that the best approach is to start coding
immediately.

I would suggest that some period of time, at least several months, be
devoted
to producing a technical specification for what we want to construct. The
specification should include sections for application programming
interfaces,
commands, file formats to be provided integrated support, and hardware to be
supported (here, we will need to identify those vendors who make technical
information available for device driver authors). Other items will
certainly
arise as production of the technical specification progresses.

I think that we should look at OS/2, Linux, and Windows, and should then
incorporate into our technical specification the best ideas of each.

Thoughts ? ...

John P Baker

#698 From: Ben Ravago <ben.ravago@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 5:41 am
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement ben_ravago
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> I would suggest that some period of time, at least several months, be
> devoted to producing a technical specification for what we want to construct.

Even before that, I think some kind of statement should be made
as to what an OS/2 "replacement" really means. Would it be
sufficient to be able to run LX format (userland) programs or
do you really want to recreate the OS/2 kernel, warts and all.
I think this is important because it will dictate the scope and
direction of the subsequent work.

#699 From: John P Baker <jbaker314@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 5:54 am
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement jbakersc
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Agreed

Step one should be the production of a "Statement of Intent" (what do we
intend to do).
It "may" also specify what we are going to call it.

Step two should be the selection of those individuals willing to put in
the time and
effort to document and code the product defined by the "Statement of
Intent".

Step three should be the production of a "Technical Definition" (what
does it look like).
The Technical Definition will eventually evolve into a "User's Guide".

There will be many more steps to follow.

John P Baker

Ben Ravago wrote:

> > I would suggest that some period of time, at least several months, be
> > devoted to producing a technical specification for what we want to
> construct.
>
> Even before that, I think some kind of statement should be made
> as to what an OS/2 "replacement" really means. Would it be
> sufficient to be able to run LX format (userland) programs or
> do you really want to recreate the OS/2 kernel, warts and all.
> I think this is important because it will dictate the scope and
> direction of the subsequent work.

#700 From: "Lynn H. Maxson" <lmaxson@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 8:58 am
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement lynnmaxson
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John P. Baker writes:
"...I would suggest that some period of time, at least several
months, be devoted to producing a technical specification for
what we want to construct. ..."

As one of the original responders on this list we've been
through this. Those willing to continue the discussion stayed
with osfree, those who regard a seemingly endless discussion
as useless left to form freeos. Discussions or activities with
respect to either seem to have stopped.

The actual split in terms of implementation occurred between
those who favored a micro-kernel approach (me included)
and those favoring a layered approach say on LINUX. In either
instance it involved replicating the OS/2 APIs...without the
warts and all.

I think you underestimate the time that such a discussion will
take using this media. You don't need more than a handful of
core players, but they need to find a more efficient means of
organizing as a team.

I personally am involved on the tool side, because we don't
have the people resources to, one, develop an OS/2 clone,
and, two, to maintain and enhance it. We need better tools.

Other than that I wish you luck...and considerable patience.

#701 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 5:30 pm
Subject: Inside the OS/2 Kernel bigwarpguy
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Inside the OS/2 Kernel
An article writtent by David C. Zimmerli
http://www.edm2.com/0607/kernel.html

It might be old but it might be of help.

BigWarpGuy

#702 From: "Dale Erwin" <daleerwin@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: MiniGui with OSFree? dale_erwin
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Bartosz (Bart/2) Tomasik" <bart2@a...>
wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:19:36 -0000, Tom Lee Mullins wrote:
>
> >Can one use the MiniGui source code with OSFree?
> >
> >http://www.minigui.org / http://www.minigui.com
>
> one can do many things. The problem is you need someone who will
> actually do the work. but no one really wants to do this or has no time
> (which gives the same effect). Besides that, most of community is not
> interested in this project (which is very depressing and discouraging).

This seems to be the problem with most of the OS/2 projects. Another
thing could be that many don't even know of this project's existence.
I just found out about it yesterday... quite by accident.
--
Dale Erwin

#703 From: "phisiker2000" <joern.knie@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement phisiker2000
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Hello

I would be already happy to be able to run OS/2-programs on a different pla=
ttform
(Linux prefered). Why not participate at Wine to integrate a OS/2-layer? Th=
is
would be a good first step for a free OS/2-replacement:

1.) The OS/2-Software would be able to run Win32-binaries without the need =
to
rewrite all
2.) The design of the Win32-controls can be adapted to the OS/2-design
3.) The execution of OS/2-binaries could be done on different OS (Linux,
ReactOS, ...)
4.) A native OS/2-Kernel can be implemented later, but the first success wo=
uld be
quite fast and help to acquire more developers.

regards
Jцrn Knie-von Allmen

--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, Ben Ravago <ben.ravago@v...> wrote:
> > I would suggest that some period of time, at least several months, be
> > devoted to producing a technical specification for what we want to cons=
truct.
>
> Even before that, I think some kind of statement should be made
> as to what an OS/2 "replacement" really means. Would it be
> sufficient to be able to run LX format (userland) programs or
> do you really want to recreate the OS/2 kernel, warts and all.
> I think this is important because it will dictate the scope and
> direction of the subsequent work.

#704 From: John P Baker <jbaker314@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 3:25 am
Subject: Building an OS/2 Replacement jbakersc
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I have created a new Yahoo group, OS2TCS-DOC, whose purpose is stated
as follows:

The purpose of this group is to prepare detailed documentation for a
follow-on to OS/2, to be designed and implemented to meet the
requirements of the Department of Defense Trusted Computer System
Evaluation Criteria.

Other OS2TCS-xxx groups will be established in the future as the need
arises.

This group has been marked private, and all memberships must be
approved by the moderator (i.e., "me").

If you are interested in participating, and are willing to put in the
time and
effort, I believe that we can create a technical specification from which a
follow-on to OS/2 can be crafted.

This is not a project for the faint of heart, nor for the easily
discouraged.

For those of you who are up to the task, welcome !

To subscribe to this group, send an email to

os2tcs-doc-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

John P Baker