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#1230 Some hope?
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pinoozzyid
Jun 22, 2005
I came across this page (http://www.falvotech.com/projects/os3.php)
that made me smile a bit. I'm so glad someone is thinking on this and
using L4 (pistachio hopefully) for it. I believe that kernel is good
enough to do the job. I hope the plan is to go slow but strong. The
Haiku project is taking sometime but as they come out of the kernel
space they are getting more help to write subsystems.
We have to remember that we have a deadline and without the source
code Serenity Systems can do so much and that may be not enough.

Leonardo Pino

#1231 Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
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Tom Lee Mullins
Jun 24, 2005

> > "
> > I asked about how much of the source code for/of OS/2
> > is still owned by Microsoft.
> >
>
> If memory serves, the Presentation Manager. The Workplace Shell was
> introduced after their separation - I think. I know SOM (which the
> WPS is built) is wholly IBM's and open sourced (or am I dreaming that
> one up?).

There is a project to clone the presentation manager.
It is FreePM. It is at http://frepm.sourceforge.net
( http://sourceforge.net/projects/frepm ?).

>
> I suspect some chunks of the multimedia sub-system is, too, co-owned.
> The Control Programming Interface before their separation. Chunks
> (or most) of the Graphic Primitives Interface. Since the Kernel
> Execution Environment wasn't introduced until Warp Server for
> eBusiness there is no reason why it wouldn't be wholly IBM's.
>
> I'm sure there's more stuff, but I'm just too tired to think of them
> now.
>
> Daniel Lee Kruse

Thanks for the information.

TomLeeM

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#1234 Re: [osFree] Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
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Davey Brain
Jun 26, 2005
Monsieur Bill wrote:

> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Lee Kruse" <warprulz@y...>
> wrote:
>
>>--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, Tom Lee Mullins <tomleem@c...>
>
> wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>
>>>"
>>>I asked about how much of the source code for/of OS/2
>>>is still owned by Microsoft.
>>>
>>
>>
>>If memory serves, the Presentation Manager. The Workplace Shell
>
> was
>
>>introduced after their separation - I think. I know SOM (which
>
> the
>
>>WPS is built) is wholly IBM's and open sourced (or am I dreaming
>
> that
>
>>one up?).
>>
>>I suspect some chunks of the multimedia sub-system is, too,
>
> co-owned.
>
>> The Control Programming Interface before their separation.
>
> Chunks
>
>>(or most) of the Graphic Primitives Interface. Since the Kernel
>>Execution Environment wasn't introduced until Warp Server for
>>eBusiness there is no reason why it wouldn't be wholly IBM's.
>>
>>I'm sure there's more stuff, but I'm just too tired to think of
>
> them
>
>>now.
>>
>>Daniel Lee Kruse
>
>
> The netbios part of the network is microsoft owned, TCP/IP is a fork
> from NetBSD.
>
> If you want to see, the owner can be (may be ?) in the header of
> each exe/dll
>
> Mercier JF

Hi,
Don't forget the file system that MS owns all or part of. HPFS was
mostly developed by Microsoft; in fact NTFS is just a slightly modified
HPFS. LAN Manager is jointly owned also. I have a book about programming
for Microsoft LAN Manager that was published by Microsoft Press.

WarpDavey
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spouse...any takers?

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#1235 Re: [osFree] Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
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Kenn Yuill
Jun 27, 2005
Davey Brain wrote as follows on 26/06/05 10:36:

> Don't forget the file system that MS owns all or part of. HPFS was
> mostly developed by Microsoft; in fact NTFS is just a slightly modified
> HPFS. ... [Edited] ...


FWIW, I noticed that HPFS386.IFS from 2002.08.29 contains a copyright
notice by IBM dated May 6 16:25:28 2002, whereas the edition of HPFS.IFS
of 2000.10.08 has none and is called the "IBM HPFS Installable File
System" with no mention of Microsoft within either file. It would
appear that both companies have the rights to the original code for
HPFS.IFS and the rights to any subsequent changes would belong
exclusively to the changer, at least since 2002 and likely from the date
of the cessation of their joint venture.

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#1236 RE: [osFree] Digest Number 332 Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
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Stephen
Jun 27, 2005

>>Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
>Hi,
>Don't forget the file system that MS owns all or part of. HPFS was
>mostly developed by Microsoft; in fact NTFS is just a slightly modified

>HPFS. LAN Manager is jointly owned also. I have a book about

programming

>for Microsoft LAN Manager that was published by Microsoft Press.
>
>WarpDavey

No, HPFS and NTFS are very different, and nothing is similar between the
two. NTFS is a transaction based FS using clusters to organise sectors.
HPFS, on the other hand, has no transaction or journal capability,
starts writes from the middle of the disk, and does NOT used any cluster
algorithm (organised via physical 512 bytes sectors).

Regards,
S.

-----Original Message-----
From: osFree@yahoogroups.com [mailto:osFree@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 27 June 2005 11:37
To: osFree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [osFree] Digest Number 332

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1. Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
From: Davey Brain <dsbrain@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:36:32 -0400
From: Davey Brain <dsbrain@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?

Monsieur Bill wrote:

> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Lee Kruse" <warprulz@y...>
> wrote:
>
>>--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, Tom Lee Mullins <tomleem@c...>
>
> wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>
>>>"
>>>I asked about how much of the source code for/of OS/2
>>>is still owned by Microsoft.
>>>
>>
>>
>>If memory serves, the Presentation Manager. The Workplace Shell
>
> was
>
>>introduced after their separation - I think. I know SOM (which
>
> the
>
>>WPS is built) is wholly IBM's and open sourced (or am I dreaming
>
> that
>
>>one up?).
>>
>>I suspect some chunks of the multimedia sub-system is, too,
>
> co-owned.
>
>> The Control Programming Interface before their separation.
>
> Chunks
>
>>(or most) of the Graphic Primitives Interface. Since the Kernel
>>Execution Environment wasn't introduced until Warp Server for
>>eBusiness there is no reason why it wouldn't be wholly IBM's.
>>
>>I'm sure there's more stuff, but I'm just too tired to think of
>
> them
>
>>now.
>>
>>Daniel Lee Kruse
>
>
> The netbios part of the network is microsoft owned, TCP/IP is a fork
> from NetBSD.
>
> If you want to see, the owner can be (may be ?) in the header of
> each exe/dll
>
> Mercier JF

Hi,
Don't forget the file system that MS owns all or part of. HPFS was
mostly developed by Microsoft; in fact NTFS is just a slightly modified
HPFS. LAN Manager is jointly owned also. I have a book about programming

for Microsoft LAN Manager that was published by Microsoft Press.

WarpDavey
--
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Due to political oppression I'm seeking a Canadian or European
spouse...any takers?

"It is dangerous to be right when the established authorities are wrong"

- Voltaire

This OS/2 uptime is 10 d 23 h 17 m 09 seconds



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#1237 Re: [osFree] Digest Number 332 Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
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Davey Brain
Jun 27, 2005
Stephen wrote:

>>>Re: Re: Extent of OS/2 Source Code Owned by Microsoft?
>>
>>Hi,
>>Don't forget the file system that MS owns all or part of. HPFS was
>>mostly developed by Microsoft; in fact NTFS is just a slightly modified
>
>
>>HPFS. LAN Manager is jointly owned also. I have a book about
>
> programming
>
>>for Microsoft LAN Manager that was published by Microsoft Press.
>>
>>WarpDavey
>
>
> No, HPFS and NTFS are very different, and nothing is similar between the
> two. NTFS is a transaction based FS using clusters to organise sectors.
> HPFS, on the other hand, has no transaction or journal capability,
> starts writes from the middle of the disk, and does NOT used any cluster
> algorithm (organised via physical 512 bytes sectors).
>
> Regards,
> S.
>

S,
Perhaps you are thinking of NTFS 3 in XP. The original NTFS was almost
an exact clone of HPFS. In fact WinNT/2K will report HPFS partitions as
corrupted NTFS partitions since a only few bytes are really different
and the original NTFS was just a slightly altered HPFS. I know very
little of NTFS past the original version since I use Win2K/XP as little
as I possibly can...

WarpDavey
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spouse...any takers?

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#1239 DosBox/2. Can be usefull?
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"J. Francisco García M."
Jul 1, 2005
Can DosBox/2 be usefull for osfree?



-------- Original Message --------

++ From the VOICE OS/2-eComStation News Service http://www.os2voice.org ++

From: Andy B

The port of DosBox v0.63 to OS/2 has been finished and can be downloaded
at http://www.joschs-robotics.de/dosbox/ as installable WPI files. You
will need WarpIn to install these files, obtainable at
ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/warpin/warpin-1-0-6.exe

In case you didn't know, DosBox is a DOS emulator, available for Linux,
Windows, BeOS, MacOS X and now OS/2! Its homepage can be found at
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net The main focus of DosBox is making classic
DOS-based games available on modern platforms. If you have some old gem
that doesn't run properly under OS/2, have a look at the list of
supported games at http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.php to see if
it is supported.

More information about DosBox/2 can be found at
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/DOSBox_Port. Please post bug reports
specific to the OS/2 version there under "Issues" or contact the porter
directly at joschsDESPAM@.... Please include a rough
description of your system when reporting performance issues.

General information on getting started with DosBox can be found at
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php .

#1240 Re: [osFree] DosBox/2. Can be usefull?
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Tom Lee Mullins
Jul 2, 2005
J. Francisco García M. wrote:

>
> Can DosBox/2 be usefull for osfree?
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> ++ From the VOICE OS/2-eComStation News Service http://www.os2voice.org ++
>
> From: Andy B
>
> The port of DosBox v0.63 to OS/2 has been finished and can be downloaded
> at http://www.joschs-robotics.de/dosbox/ as installable WPI files. You
> will need WarpIn to install these files, obtainable at
> ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/warpin/warpin-1-0-6.exe
>
> In case you didn't know, DosBox is a DOS emulator, available for Linux,
> Windows, BeOS, MacOS X and now OS/2! Its homepage can be found at
> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net The main focus of DosBox is making classic
> DOS-based games available on modern platforms. If you have some old gem
> that doesn't run properly under OS/2, have a look at the list of
> supported games at http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/comp_list.php to see if
> it is supported.
>
> More information about DosBox/2 can be found at
> http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/DOSBox_Port. Please post bug reports
> specific to the OS/2 version there under "Issues" or contact the porter
> directly at joschsDESPAM@.... Please include a rough
> description of your system when reporting performance issues.
>
> General information on getting started with DosBox can be found at
> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php .
>
>
>

http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/DOSBox_Port
It will be interesting to see it as part of OSFree.
I will ask if it can be used with it.


TomLeeM
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