#461 From: "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@...>
Date: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:57 pm
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:13 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2) wrote:
> First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would do much
better
>discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
>
>>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
>>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
I know. But more info required. BTW, having openwatcom and toolset (as source as
binaries) in cvs will be nice.
>>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
For foreign sources this is not so easy. For example, regina rexx have some
additions, but compatible with IBM REXX. NewView has not same interface. But I
don't see
any problems if something added, but not removed. Only problem is newview/mkmsgf
is pascal-based projects.
>>Well, most interesting fact is many projects hosted at netlabs (newview,
fat32,
>opensibyl, ext23fs) and its nice to have one place for all projects. Current
sources (of
>>various projects) can be reorganizated and placed to one tree (with divisions
by
>modules, but still one and common source tree).
>as I said, ask for this at public forum
Part 16 - Aug 19 2002
Re: Part 16
#462 From: "evgen_ek" <evg@...>
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 8:18 pm
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--- In osFree@y..., "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@f...> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:13 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)
wrote:
>
> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
do much better
> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
> >
> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
I use VAC 3.08...
> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
need working os and working compiler and debugger
SY,
EK
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 8:18 pm
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--- In osFree@y..., "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@f...> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:13 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)
wrote:
>
> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
do much better
> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
> >
> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
I use VAC 3.08...
> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
need working os and working compiler and debugger
SY,
EK
Re: Part 16
#463 From: "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@...>
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 3:16 pm
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
>do much better
>> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
>> >
>> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
Well, VAC is good compiler, but dead
Will it possible to build FreePM using OpenWatcom compiler?
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
I don't see any licension problems. Example, please.
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
Really, will be great to have moduled FreePM.
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
>do much better
>> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
>> >
>> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
Well, VAC is good compiler, but dead
Will it possible to build FreePM using OpenWatcom compiler?
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
I don't see any licension problems. Example, please.
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
Really, will be great to have moduled FreePM.
Re: Part 16
#464 From: "teahola" <teemu.ahola@...>
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 12:23 pm
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What stuff I need to compile osFree? Can I use VACPP?
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What stuff I need to compile osFree? Can I use VACPP?
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#465 From: "Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)" <bart2@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 10:28 am
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:23:51 -0000, teahola wrote:
>What stuff I need to compile osFree? Can I use VACPP?
You need to get Watcom 11.0c (available for free, eg from osFree site) nad
OS/2Toolkit (I use 4.,5).
VAC++ is not supported...
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:23:51 -0000, teahola wrote:
>What stuff I need to compile osFree? Can I use VACPP?
You need to get Watcom 11.0c (available for free, eg from osFree site) nad
OS/2Toolkit (I use 4.,5).
VAC++ is not supported...
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Re: Part 16
#466 From: "Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)" <bart2@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 10:35 am
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:57:19 +0400 (EDT), Yuri Prokushev wrote:
>I know. But more info required. BTW, having openwatcom and toolset (as source
as
binaries) in cvs will be nice.
binaries are accessible from our site (11.0c), sources are not but.. If we are
not gona
modify them (and I'm not, at least not in near future) there is no reason tu put
in our cvs -
if there will be a newer version Michael will notify us about that.
>For foreign sources this is not so easy. For example, regina rexx have some
additions, but compatible with IBM REXX. NewView has not same interface. But I
don't
see
>any problems if something added, but not removed.
He meant, that we should first get everything to work, then enchance Of
course
NewView and ReginaRexx are out of this 'rule' as work on them is made by others
(nice of them )
>Only problem is newview/mkmsgf is pascal-based projects.
Do you have any idea, how to fit with them into current makefile system?
Or maybe, mkmsgf can be built using C?
btw about OpenSybil project, last time when I was using Sybil, they had it's own
controls
for everything, while it mayy be good, I think it would be much better to
support standard
OS controls (eg for GUI consistency)
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:57:19 +0400 (EDT), Yuri Prokushev wrote:
>I know. But more info required. BTW, having openwatcom and toolset (as source
as
binaries) in cvs will be nice.
binaries are accessible from our site (11.0c), sources are not but.. If we are
not gona
modify them (and I'm not, at least not in near future) there is no reason tu put
in our cvs -
if there will be a newer version Michael will notify us about that.
>For foreign sources this is not so easy. For example, regina rexx have some
additions, but compatible with IBM REXX. NewView has not same interface. But I
don't
see
>any problems if something added, but not removed.
He meant, that we should first get everything to work, then enchance Of
course
NewView and ReginaRexx are out of this 'rule' as work on them is made by others
(nice of them )
>Only problem is newview/mkmsgf is pascal-based projects.
Do you have any idea, how to fit with them into current makefile system?
Or maybe, mkmsgf can be built using C?
btw about OpenSybil project, last time when I was using Sybil, they had it's own
controls
for everything, while it mayy be good, I think it would be much better to
support standard
OS controls (eg for GUI consistency)
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Re: Part 16
#467 From: "Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)" <bart2@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 10:42 am
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
VAC (avery version) is not supported anymore. And it still has bugs which you
can get
fixed only if you're IBMer (Michael Kaplly has got some fixes for Mozilla team,
but
norma people will never see them).
Watcom is free and is really good and will be even better, check out
openwatcom.contributors (news://news.openwatcom.org) and see what is being
improved (Michael is doing really good work).
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
ask what you need, we'll see what can we do
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
as fo now, we also use existing OS/2, so we're in the same situation as you.
(btw I find
Watcom debugger superior to IBM's one...). I don't see any problems here
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
VAC (avery version) is not supported anymore. And it still has bugs which you
can get
fixed only if you're IBMer (Michael Kaplly has got some fixes for Mozilla team,
but
norma people will never see them).
Watcom is free and is really good and will be even better, check out
openwatcom.contributors (news://news.openwatcom.org) and see what is being
improved (Michael is doing really good work).
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
ask what you need, we'll see what can we do
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
as fo now, we also use existing OS/2, so we're in the same situation as you.
(btw I find
Watcom debugger superior to IBM's one...). I don't see any problems here
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Re: Part 16
#468 From: "Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)" <bart2@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 10:49 am
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updated:
all_PerformRecursiveAction function,
Attrib and Tree commands
added:
label command (not quite useable yet)
beginings of bath interpreter/cmd.exe - set and pause commands, but do not link
yet...
problems:
-: set and pause do not link (when using libc llayer) due to missing getch and
setenv
functions, while getch will be replaced by cmd_getkey, setenv is mandatory...
Andrew
can you fix this?
- just noticed a bug : all_GetDirFromPath, when passed ".." returns corretly
"..", but
when passing "." returns trashes at the end of string (?!)
- label command uses sprintf for a while... someone could do cmd_readline for
replacing that...
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updated:
all_PerformRecursiveAction function,
Attrib and Tree commands
added:
label command (not quite useable yet)
beginings of bath interpreter/cmd.exe - set and pause commands, but do not link
yet...
problems:
-: set and pause do not link (when using libc llayer) due to missing getch and
setenv
functions, while getch will be replaced by cmd_getkey, setenv is mandatory...
Andrew
can you fix this?
- just noticed a bug : all_GetDirFromPath, when passed ".." returns corretly
"..", but
when passing "." returns trashes at the end of string (?!)
- label command uses sprintf for a while... someone could do cmd_readline for
replacing that...
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Re: Part 16
#469 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 2:17 pm
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>Hi,
>--- In osFree@y..., "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@f...> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:13 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)
>wrote:
>>
>> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
>do much better
>> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
>> >
>> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
>
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
>
Though I wonder if building a PM would be easier ?
If anything is non-documented its PM.
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
>
As we do right now.
The things we build are built on OS/2 using OS/2 compilers etc.
Sincerely
JMA
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:18:39 -0000, evgen_ek wrote:
>Hi,
>--- In osFree@y..., "Yuri Prokushev" <prokushev@f...> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:43:13 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2)
>wrote:
>>
>> > First I want you to ask, to post to public mailing list, we would
>do much better
>> >discussing thigngs there (as people will see, something happens )
>> >
>> >>Please ask him to participate but tell him that
>> >>a) The build environment is based on OpenWatcom and our toolset
>I use VAC 3.08...
>
>> >>b) Our main focus is replacing parts of the OS, not adding stuff
>
>well, it is not so interesting for me, particularly with problems of
>getting specifications, docs, sources and licension problems.
>
Though I wonder if building a PM would be easier ?
If anything is non-documented its PM.
>I want to make something that can work as on top of existing OS/2 as
>will be compatible with osFree. In any case for developing FreePM I
>need working os and working compiler and debugger
>
As we do right now.
The things we build are built on OS/2 using OS/2 compilers etc.
Sincerely
JMA
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Re: Part 16
#470 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Tue Aug 27, 2002 2:34 pm
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:35:02 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2) wrote:
>
>He meant, that we should first get everything to work, then enchance Of
course
>NewView and ReginaRexx are out of this 'rule' as work on them is made by others
>(nice of them )
>
I dont see any us and them here.
Whatever app that runs on osFree is great and the more apps that runs the
better.
If they are part of the CVS or developed outside the main project is irrelevant.
Or should we expect OS/2 developers to turn to Microsofts licencing scheme
This application is only allowed to run on genuine IBM(R) OS/2(R) Warp(TM) 4.x,
you are not allowed to run it on eComStation, using VPC or and FreeOS, osFree
or Windows or Linux.
Lets keep osFree as an OS project and worry about additions later.
Sincerely
JMA
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:35:02 +0200 (CDT), Bartosz Tomasik (Bart/2) wrote:
>
>He meant, that we should first get everything to work, then enchance Of
course
>NewView and ReginaRexx are out of this 'rule' as work on them is made by others
>(nice of them )
>
I dont see any us and them here.
Whatever app that runs on osFree is great and the more apps that runs the
better.
If they are part of the CVS or developed outside the main project is irrelevant.
Or should we expect OS/2 developers to turn to Microsofts licencing scheme
This application is only allowed to run on genuine IBM(R) OS/2(R) Warp(TM) 4.x,
you are not allowed to run it on eComStation, using VPC or and FreeOS, osFree
or Windows or Linux.
Lets keep osFree as an OS project and worry about additions later.
Sincerely
JMA
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